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invest overseas a lot of places where they can make money in a zero interest rate environment. the low interest rates which the federal reserve told us will be that way until 2015 a are also hurting savers. >> they absolutely are. it creates inflation risk. people are penalized. the return if they are investing their savings some place safe the return is not keeping pace with inflation. every year they are losing money. so of course that creates incentive to invest in riskier assets and that's what we had with the crisis, low interest rates then. not as low as now but people are looking for return with the sub prime mortgages. it creates incentives which create significant risk for the system. and i think the fed is proceeding with the best of intentions but the risk of what they are doing is tremendous an the benefits are incremental at best. >> it has been about the fed providing stimulus. what kind of fiscal policy would you like to see? >> the solution is not hard but it is having the political will to do it. you have to get spending under control and the defense budget. we are und
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